Re: Riots in Tottenham now

**pennylane** Tue 9 Aug - 8:07

Sorry must have sent twice.

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 9:11

I was on Holiday last year in Turkey and whichever Bus we rode on, any children on board would automatically get up and give us a their seat. This
was the norm when I was young but the Youth of today never ever give up their seat, more likely to throw a brick at the Driver resulting in the Buses
taken off that route for a while, . Good behaviour starts in the Home, is carried on in School and becomes natural , it has taken only one Generation
to raise these imbeciles.

**Angelina** Tue 9 Aug - 9:16

Panda wrote:I was on Holiday last year in Turkey and whichever Bus we rode on, any children on board would automatically get up and give us a their seat. This
was the norm when I was young but the Youth of today never ever give up their seat, more likely to throw a brick at the Driver resulting in the Buses
taken off that route for a while, . Good behaviour starts in the Home, is carried on in School and becomes natural , it has taken only one Generation
to raise these imbeciles.

Trouble is good parenting seems to have vanished about 30 years ago with certain sorts of families (if you can actually call them families). Now we have 3 generations in the same house with no jobs, no respect, no prospects, no education etc. Not quite sure how you turn that around.

**fedrules** Tue 9 Aug - 9:17

A load of thugs and criminals with nothing to do and no respect for authority of any kind. Very hard to know how the police can control this. We rarely have this sort of disorder in Switzerland, but demonstrators are not handled with kid gloves. Water cannons and even rubber bullets are deployed here.

**Angelina** Tue 9 Aug - 9:20

fedrules wrote:A load of thugs and criminals with nothing to do and no respect for authority of any kind. Very hard to know how the police can control this. We rarely have this sort of disorder in Switzerland, but demonstrators are not handled with kid gloves. Water canons and even rubber bullets are deployed here.

It's about time we started here. Apparently we don't even own a water canon.

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 9:30

I suggested the Army be deployed with Water Cannon a couple of days ago , just announce, Liverpool and Birmingham affected as well. Bristol also
affected. Police say on twitter they will be deploying 13,000 Police for duty today. Pictures of the damage done to shops etc are unbelievable it"s
going to cost £10 million so far to put right the damage. It really is shameful and I never thought this kind of behaviour would be seen on the streets
of Britain.

**fedrules** Tue 9 Aug - 9:44

Panda wrote:I suggested the Army be deployed with Water Cannon a couple of days ago , just announce, Liverpool and Birmingham affected as well. Bristol also
affected. Police say on twitter they will be deploying 13,000 Police for duty today. Pictures of the damage done to shops etc are unbelievable it"s
going to cost £10 million so far to put right the damage. It really is shameful and I never thought this kind of behaviour would be seen on the streets
of Britain.

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My dad who is admittedly not the most liberal of people, although the kindest and most considerate man I know, always says that 'Enogh Powell was right' when this sort of thing happens

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 9:49

The point is, the Police are NOT dealing with it, they are overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the violence and the Army needs to be deployed to help.

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 9:58

Yes fedrules,

His "rivers of blood " speech was considered outrageous and racial at the time but your Dad was right, and the Government has no idea of how many
illegal immigrants there are here. There"s a very good youtube video , wish I had copied it, can"t find it now. It"s called "Sony Presentation" on the
future, While the average Western Family has 2 children, the Muslims have 4 or 5 so will dominate the world in 2 generations. What youngsters learn
in school today will be obsolete in a few years etc.

Guest Tue 9 Aug - 10:43

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Looting Curry's with your Curry's uniform on.....

eta. sorry, didn't realise that Carmen posted it already. Riots in Tottenham now - Page 4 554636

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 11:31

sky news

Parliament Recalled As Riots Spread Across UK

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11:25am UK, Tuesday August 09, 2011

David Cameron has said Parliament will be recalled on Thursday to deal with
the "sickening scenes" of rioting in London and across the country.

Police have struggled to contain what has become the worst rioting in decades
as crowds of youths smashed windows, emptied shops of their goods and set
properties on fire.

More than 450 people have been arrested in the capital since Saturday,
including three overnight on suspicion of attempted murder after two police
officers were hit by a car in Fulton Road, Brent.

David
Cameron flew back to Britain to chair the Government's emergency
committee Cobra and meet police chiefs, having been on a family holiday to
Tuscany.

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 11:51

England v Netherlands football match cancelled because of riots.

**Keela** Tue 9 Aug - 12:02

Panda wrote:The point is, the Police are NOT dealing with it, they are overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the violence and the Army needs to be deployed to help.

I agree the Police aren't coping but then again how are they expected to? To every police officer there is probably 20 rioters. As for Mrs May saying that they would not consider using water canons and will rely on consent ( whatever that is) is nonsense. Water canons are a very effective way of dealing with the scum which is destroying the streets. It seems that the Government would prefer to adopt the softly softly approach, like this is going to work. Tough action is needed and asap. The army needs to be deployed ( if you can find any who aren't busy fighting an unwinnable war). They are the guys who will help the police bring a bit of law and order to the streets.

**Keela** Tue 9 Aug - 12:02

carmen wrote:
@ @frasereC4

People waiting to clean up Clapham Junction have been told they cannot help because of health and safety issues.

FFS

Totally agree. What H & S issues.

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 12:13

Keela wrote:
Panda wrote:The point is, the Police are NOT dealing with it, they are overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the violence and the Army needs to be deployed to help.

I agree the Police aren't coping but then again how are they expected to? To every police officer there is probably 20 rioters. As for Mrs May saying that they would not consider using water canons and will rely on consent ( whatever that is) is nonsense. Water canons are a very effective way of dealing with the scum which is destroying the streets. It seems that the Government would prefer to adopt the softly softly approach, like this is going to work. Tough action is needed and asap. The army needs to be deployed ( if you can find any who aren't busy fighting an unwinnable war). They are the guys who will help the police bring a bit of law and order to the streets.

I agree Keela, what message is Britain sending to would be tourists who want to come to Britain for the Olympics next Year?. The Police have taken a lot
of stick recently, but a lot of these Policemen are young and would be just as frightened as anyone trying to stop all the violence. Water cannon
is very effective and treat like with like I say. These yobbos have no conscience about the way they are behaving, it truly is beyond the pale.

**Panda** Tue 9 Aug - 12:14

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11:48am UK, Tuesday August 09, 2011

Residents in London and beyond have pledged to reclaim streets vandalised by
rioters by organising spot clean-up squads.

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Councils say they have had hundreds of people ringing in
to offer clean-up help

Within hours of the unrest escalating, numerous Facebook groups had been set
up and local people were arranging to meet using the Twitter hash tag
#riotcleanup.

"Clean up starting in an hour. About 200 odd people with broom and marigolds
ready to take our town back! Come down!" was among typical postings made on
social media.

A special website set up to help co-ordinate the efforts has crashed after
being overwhelmed by visitors.

Meanwhile, hundreds of people living in affected boroughs have called their
local councils, asking to help with the clear-up.

Croydon Council told Sky News that more than 500 people had rung this morning
to offer their assistance, and Hackney Council reported similar support.

Both councils say their clean-up efforts are under control, having begun in
the early hours of this morning.

But they are taking names and contact numbers of volunteers in case they are
needed later.

A Hackney Council spokesperson said it was "great to see the community coming
together" following the unrest that has seen dozens of local businesses damaged.

**AnnaEsse** Tue 9 Aug - 12:21

carmen wrote: